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The Human offswitch = Vulcan Nerve Pinch
Monday, January 26. 2009Podcast 4: Now with Sound 2.0!*
Alright, now just about everyone who listened to the "first" podcast had something to say about the sound quality. We know: it sucked! Sorry. But thanks to AoD's hard work and a new recording technique you'll be able to hear some things much better, while others (such as the edit cuts) should be nearly indetectable.
This podcast covers episodes 12-16 of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 1. Our "Special" guest for this podcast is Anon.. Various topics discussed in this podcast include: Holo-Cancer (00:07:00) Humans have an off-switch! (00:19:30) Intergalactic STD's (00:31:15) Peter's secret thoughts about Tasha Yar (00:32:49) The nature of competition (00:42:50) Forgiveness vs. Permission (00:57:00) Workohol - mmm, tasty (01:06:25) Objectivism (01:12:00) The Fountain of Youth (01:13:00) Giving in to Terrorist Demands (01:22:15) Direct MP3 Download RSS Feed Subscribe Using iTunes *Sound 2.0 is not a registered trademark or patent pending. It's not a real thing. Here are the ratings that we gave for each show: The Big Goodbye:
AoD: SciFi - 3 Television - 5 Radar: SciFi - 2 Television - 1 Anon: SciFi - 4 Television - 3.5 Datalore AoD: SciFi - 6 Television - 4 Radar: SciFi - 6 Television - 3 Anon: SciFi - 6 Television - 3 Angel One AoD: SciFi - 4 Television - 2 Radar: SciFi - 2 Television - 1 Anon: SciFi - 3 Television - 2 11001001 AoD: SciFi - 6 Television - 2 Radar: SciFi - 6 Television - 3 Anon: SciFi - 8 Television - 3 Too Short A Season AoD: SciFi - 7 Television - 2 Radar: SciFi - 1 Television - 1 Anon: SciFi - 4 Television - 1 If you have something to say then we welcome your comments below, or feel free to email us at [email protected]. Trackbacks
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The Human offswitch = Vulcan Nerve Pinch
Johnny Elbows on :
At one point during my educational career, I had a teacher who, perhaps inadvertently, had a huge impact on my life. On the first day of our class, this teacher stated that there was only one rule in her classroom. Her rule was, "when you do something, think about what the classroom would be like if everyone were doing what you are doing. If the classroom would be improved, then your action is right. If the classroom would be hurt, then your action is wrong."
In my life, I have tried to make that a rule to live by. With that in mind, I have a question for the makers of this podcast: How would the world be affected if everyone had the same attitude that you do toward the maxim, "it's better to ask forgiveness than permission?" Ancient of Days on :
Perhaps you'll also call me a "copout", but I would present the argument that my view of "it's better to for forgiveness than permission" already *IS* the way the majority of people are leading their lives.
It doesn't make the world a great place, but the answer to your question is, I would argue "On the whole, the same way it is today." On the other hand, if I turn the question on its head a little bit and ask "How would the world be different if I *CHANGED* my attitude?" I'm not sure it would be different here, either, although I'd be glad to entertain further discussion on the matter. I have a truly marvellous proof of this proposition which this comment box is too narrow to contain. Johnny Elbows on :
You are terrible :)
Johnny Elbows on :
Any European history buffs out there? Does anyone know how the Hundred Years' War affected the society of France and England?
Radar on :
Thanks for mentioning that. I would love to have more information on it as I am certainly no European history buff. But I am not certain it would apply quite as much. The people in the episode Too Short a Season were much more technologically advanced than the combatants in the Hundred Years War, nor was it on a global scale. But again I admit that I do not have a frame of reference.
Johnny Elbows on :
You bring up two points as reasons why the societal changes caused by the 100 Years' War would not be the same as the changes caused by continuous warfare in an advanced civilization:
1) The fact that the society was more advanced technologically. 2) The fact that the 100 Years' War was not global. While I will admit that the parallel would not be an exact one, I think that it would be closer than it might first appear. This is because even though the 100 Years' War was not global, it would have probably seemed global to its participants precisely because they were less advanced technologically. Radar on :
Interesting analysis. Based on its creativity alone I shall accept it, and offer no more resistance. :)
Johnny Elbows on :
I'm not sure whether I should call you a chicken, a coward, or a copout. ;)
Radar on :
I reject your options and present my own: pacifist. :P
Sideshow on :
Does it really have to be global to affect a society, as long as it was global within that society.
I think even now we have examples of Continual war and how it affects societies. Just look at the middle east. In regards to the societies being more technologically advanced, and therefore the effect wouldn't be the same on them as it was during the 100 Years war, I don't know that I could agree, because the form of warfare, and it's results, would also be more technologically advanced. Sideshow on :
Just wanted to clarify that when I'm referencing the Middle East, I am not referring to our involvement in Iraq, but the different societal wars that have been going on in that area for quite a while.
Ancient of Days on :
Only tangentially, via the Eric Flint novels - which I linked to in my second attempt at "Month of Free (Online) Books" over at blog.joeysmith.com - only 5 more days!
Sideshow on :
A Few Comments. First in regards to Permission vs. Forgiveness.
I find Elbow's philosophy to be an interesting philosophy to have in one's life. However with most philosophies, I don't believe that any one should be used to control ones life, and that situations should dictate this. One thing I found interesting is that Joey says that he finds it easier to ask for permission, saying it as though it were a blanket statement. However his wording when discussing the situation referenced in the episode that the binars did the right thing because of the situation they were in justified their actions, thereby making it sound that indeed Joey does not believe that forgiveness is always better than permission. In Regards to the Holodeck Women and it not being an immoral or wrong thing to do, I would equate this with pornography. While physically it is not cheating, but there are those who would argue that there is a form of mental cheating going on when one views pornography. While in Riker's position where he wasn't seeing anyone at this time, I would still equate it with the viewing of pornography. Finally, regarding the Fountain of Youth, we are taught within our religion, that we are on this earth to receive a body, mainly for the reason of returning back to heavenly father after our resurrection. However partaking in the Fountain of Youth would be denying this possibility. Radar on :
That is a very astute correlation to make regarding holodeck affairs and pornography. I would have to say that I agree with you.
I would like to clarify my point just a little regarding the fountain of youth. I am not afraid of death. I see it as the next natural part of living. But I don't have to like the degenerative effect it will have on my body. I too welcome death in the sense that it shall make all my sufferings end. But I would be a liar if I did not admit I enjoy living, and want it to continue as long as possible. Sideshow on :
So two fountain of Youths.
One is the traditional forever young fountain of youth. The other has all the benefits of the fountain of you, except you still die when you would normally have died. Which do you take? Ancient of Days on :
Neither. I'm comfortable with the process that's in place.
Radar on :
Apparently I like the idea of thwarting the plan of god. I would probably choose the first. But I would also be comfortable with the second option as well.
Sideshow on :
Well at least you admit your desire to undo god's work.
Personally I'm with AoD, I'd take neither option. Ancient of Days on :
So, Sideshow, is pornography the same thing as infidelity?
Sideshow on :
In a way, probably.
It depends on your involvement with pornography, and how it affects your relationship with your spouse. If it's just a quick viewing at pictures, etc, with no action taken, I would equate that with flirting with the hot co-worker. Not really something you should do, but not really cheating in and of itself. However like flirting, can easily lead down a road to other things, ranging from staying late at work because you were busy talking, to going to dinner or drinks after work, to a full fledged affair, Simple viewing of pornography, can easily lead to it causing other issues. When it's no longer just viewing of it, and it starts to go into the keeping secret from your spouse, or starts to have an effect on how you see your spouse, or even interact with your spouse. Or if you're finding reasons to not be with your spouse so that you can view pornography, then yea I'd say it can start to be considered infidelity. Though maybe not a physical affair, it can be considered a mental/emotional affair. So in Riker's case where he didn't have any one he was being unfaithful to, I would still equate his trips to the holodeck as pornography. Ancient of Days on :
What if a couple watches pornography _as_ a couple?
Sideshow on :
Than I guess it's like a couple agreeing to a Threesome. Not really infidelity, but there are other moral issues about, and possibly marital issues as well.
The Mad Giggler on :
I am about 30-40 minutes into it.
I think Peter's issue with "Let's not borrow trouble" is that he's had too many incompetent bosses. The technical side is much improved, although there are still parts that are jarring where someone will be saying something, everyone is laughing, and then suddenly that same person starts talking in a more subdued tone of voice. Not sure what you can do about it. I get the impression you've condensed a two or three hour conversation into a one and 1/2 hour podcast. Perhaps I'll have more to add after I finish listening. Radar on :
Thanks for the comments MG. I would agree that I have had inconsistent bosses in my work history. Everyone does. The exception is the really good boss.
But for me, the issue of wanting an answer for the situation at hand is all about preparation for me. I want to be prepared for every possible scenario. In my mind, if I have an answer then when the issue arises, I don't have to sit and think things over or wring my hands wondering what to do. I detest the unknown. It is one of the ways I try to control my life. I regret that I am not always able to have the "answer". I am barely sentient, let alone all knowing. The Mad Giggler on :
Yes, the issue is delegating responsibility. If you'd had bosses you trusted, you could have raised the issue and let them handle it. Instead you feel compelled to do all the prep work yourself.
Radar on :
In a sense, yes you are right. In my present job, I go to great lengths to prepare for the "what if" because I am often left on my own regarding this or that. But for the most part all of my bosses have known where I stand on any given issue. I am not a shy person about speaking up. I wouldn't do it in a group setting but I have pulled most of them aside at one time or another to point out the error of their ways. I pride myself on not being a "yes man".
In the scene we discussed the commanding officer basically tells the subordinate not to worry about it now. And that just rubbed my boy scout nature the wrong way. In this one respect I like Ben Linus because he "always has a plan". While I may not agree with his plans I can at least respect him for preparing for the contingency. The Mad Giggler on :
Ah, but Ben Linus never tells his subordinates what his contingency plans are until they are called for.
Radar on :
LOL!!! That is true. I had forgotten about that. But he did have a plan, which is slightly different than Riker who had no plan at all and did not want to discuss possibilities.
The Mad Giggler on :
Well, I don't particularly enjoy Star Trek and have never seen that episode, but I imagined in my little brain that as a commanding officer, it's Riker's duty to listen to his subordinates' concerns and then file those concerns away so that those under his command can focus on their current task, while he worries about "borrowing trouble." If Riker failed to plan for possibilities that have been raised by a subordinate, then that is a failure on his part. But that's a different failing than telling his subordinate to "not borrow trouble."
Radar on :
Well said. AoD, any rebuttal's or comments?
Ancient of Days on :
Yes, this goes directly to the heart of where Radar and I disagree. I didn't interpret Riker's reaction as "I don't have a plan and I don't want to think about it", but rather as "Yes, Lt. Cmdr. Data, it's an issue, I'll reveal my plan if and when that comes about."
Radar on :
GAH!! We are never going to come to an agreement on this are we?! :)
Ancient of Days on :
Obviously not - but, on the other hand, where's the fun in agreeing? ;)
Sideshow on :
I have to lean more towards Radar's position of Riker's comments to mean seemed to be more of a "We'll burn that bridge when we get to it" mentality, as I got the sense he hadn't come up with a contingency plan.
Ancient of Days on :
It's good to see you're so comfortable with being DEAD WRONG! Hang on to that feeling at least through Friday night, it will serve you well in the Podcast.
Sideshow on :
Seing as I'm still breathing wouldn't that make me ALIVE WRONG?
Ancient of Days on :
Re: The Technical Side
Yes, I'm aware of the "loud to quiet" problem. It's just an artifact of the way people speak that I couldn't really find any good way around. Part of it is also that I edited the amplitude of the laughing so that it doesn't "fuzz" so much, but this sometimes led to the voices being a bit quieter on the other side of the laughing. Swatson on :
One topic I found intriguing in this podcast was the mention of an "off-switch." I wonder what gives someone a right to use the "off-switch" of another. I'm not trying to imply I don't think there is a reason to have that option but in what cases? Danger to others or "because I can" or don't like someone's view of life?
Ancient of Days on :
I fully intend to use your off-switch for all of the reasons you've proposed - you're a danger to others, because I can, and because I don't like your view on life. Watch out, swatson...I'm coming for you.
Radar on :
I believe Swatson that society typically frowns on people using the off switch on others; whether they request it of others or not.
Or were you making a comment on the use of capital punishment? Swatson on :
I would laugh if you weren't such a pedant and your comment wasn't so incredulous.
Swatson on :
I was referring to capital punishment and all other forms (capabilities) of off-switching. Radar, your comment about society is also interesting. If society frowns on something, does that make it right? Not saying you agree with society but if it is right if society frowns...
Radar on :
To the society I say that it does. The difficulty arises when you try to compare one based off of the rules of another. Which in the case of TNG you get the morality of The Federation juxtaposed against the "new race."
If you attempt to fix the problem by mixing two completely different societies or groups then the majority would become the dominant morality. Swatson on :
Radar, from your previous comment regarding society being right suggesting a majority, I guess I don't have as positive of an outlook on society judging what is right or moral as a whole. Because of the human or fallible or egocentric tendencies of many in our society, I find it difficult to say society (as a majority) will always choose the right. Unless one of your definitions of the word right = what majority of society thinks. If so, that's too sweeping of a definition for me.
Sideshow on :
This kind of makes me think of I Am Legend (The Book not any of the movies). It touched on this topic a bit, with the resolution of the book. I highly recommend it.
With society, perception is reality, and whatever the majority of society believes is right, is technically right, as it goes to laws. However moral right, and legal, societal right are two completely different things. Swatson on :
I can agree with that.
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